Actors Never Discuss Future Plans.

Before My Grandpa Built His Own Church, We Went To The Neighboring Town, And It Was A White Community. You Know, Up North, Mostly Middle European People And Indians, Chippewa Indians. We Were Welcome To That Church, But Once We Got In, They Didn't Know What To Do With Us.

We Children Learned Responsibility Automatically.

I Was Preparing Myself For The Theater, And... I Got A Little Job Here And A Job There, But It Wasn't Going Well, And I Considered Some Time Before The Mid-60s That Maybe I Should Consider Something Else.

My Grandmother Though, Began To Prepare In Her Own Neurotic - And I Think Psychotic - Way To Face Racism. So She Taught Us To Be Racist, Which Is Something I Had To Undo Later When I Got To Michigan, You Know.

So In My Junior Year, I Switched To The Drama Department.